Trees! More trees! We love trees! We hate trees! We wanna be done with trees please!
CLOSED SESSION: They're not telling us what they hide in these meetings.
Everybody's there but Holden who's callin' in from Chicago.
COUNCIL BACK PATS: A teacher leads the pledge and gets it right. They've got a new seargent at arms to keep the council from killing each other. Kelly Evans comes from homicide detectives. Good idea! Senior Citizen Day certificate goes to Marvin Schecter. Senior Center dude yaks about a conference they're doing. They've got 16 high school essay winners. Good for the council to recognize the high schoolers for doing something good for human relations. Good job kids!
PUBLIC COMMENT: Ted Baily says May 9th is lawn Bowling Day and wants everybody to celebrate. Pasadena's got them in Central park and they have a open house on May 9th. Native American Victor Gonzales talks about sacred oak trees being moved someplace. Sarah Eagle from the Cancer Society talks about the Relay for Life at PCC. Chief Red Blood Anthony Morales talks about Las Encinas trees, too and says to stop something that's threatening the trees. Nobody's very clear about what's going on and Beck doesn't have any info. Matthew Moria talks about the trees, too. Guess there's some master plan that's getting considered and these guys don't want them to move any trees. Fritz Pulicker thanks the mayor for taking care of Edison's weeds. He bitches about development hapening before he knows about it. Greg Mosely thanks Jesus and talks about honoring the Robinsons at Robinson Park next weekend.
DR. WATAR REPORTS ON SWINE FLU: We have no cases here. It's not serious but Pasadena's prepared to take on the pig virus.
CONSENT CALENDAR: Hey! let's spend a ton of money but ask questions about an environmental review. Makes sense to me. Part if it's to do work in Robinson Park that needs it. So that's good. pastors and religious folks came to say fix the park. How come all these pastors think they gotta dress like they're sellin. bean pies?
ROSE BOWL PLAN FUNDING: They're tryin' to fix up the bowl again. They're gonna spend a million and a half this time to see how far they get before the Livvies stop it again. Gordo says there's no talk about NFL teams this time. Gordo says everybody likes the project. That right Claire B? UCLA dude and Tournament dude like the plan so far. it's all about getting in and out, and making the place make enough money to pay for the fix. Looked pretty cool. Vince Farhat from WPRA says they like it. Sue Mossman PH schoolmarm likes it too. Huh? This can't be Pasadena.
SOUTH LAKE PLAN: They did some trees, electrical, other stuff to make Lake look better. Tyler likes it, but hasta ask about trees.
ELECTRIC CONTRACT: We're spending more money on electrical stuff so I can get a higher bill. Good thinking folks!
BUDGET AMENDMENTS: Money for Health Department. More money from the power company to the general fund. Hey! That's more money outta my pocket, too.
CITY BUDGET: They talked earlier about power company and guess we're gonna see higher costs next year too. Dontcha think?
AMENDING THE FEE SCHEDULE: That's what shit costs us. Think anything's gonna go down? Ha, sorry I kknow I'm a funny dude.
OTHER SEWER TAX HIKES: Are gonna with until May 18th.
HOMELESS HOUSING REPORT: They gotta apply for some money soon so they're doing this hearing. They're gonna partner with non-profits and still haveta figure out how spend the money. Probly after they know how much they're gonna get, dontcha think?
TREES, PART 1 or YOU-FUCK UPDATE THE WORKPLAN AND PASADENA STREET TREE CLUSTER-FUCK, oh sorry, TIMELINE FOR TREE WORKPLAN: Holden wants them to THINK about what they're gonna do instead of completely go with the tree moratorium. They start off talking about what they're doing. Armina Durachy tree wacko who's on the YOUFUCK, er UFAC, wants them to be able to give their opinion, too. She says some trees are still getting planted. Carla Wollecky says they need to be consistent and treat every tree and district the same. Haderlein is pissed the plans are gonna mean trees that need to be planted won't get planted. Good point. We love trees so much we aren't gonna plant any, Haderlein says.
TREES, PART DEUX, or WE'RE ALL U-FUCKED AGAIN!: This is the Playhouse trees again. They start from the old motion to take Playhouse, Old Town and South Lake trees out of the moratorium. PUBLIC COMMENT: Carla Walecky sounds like she's got the swine flu says the Playhouse people will only have three people talk instead of the twelve who signed up. She says they all like the ginko trees 'cause they are good for business districts and get lots of enviro-points. Adam Spring says don't plant the trees and he's frustrated 'cause the city can't handle the trees and ginko ain't got the canopy. Nancy Nelson wacko says plant the trees 'cause of the Rose Parade. James Plokin says plant them in Old Town. Betty Cooper from Pasadena Beautiful says they wanna work for the future and be part of a team but she leaves out the business people in her list. She gets Gordo's name wrong, too. She says whatever trees would work have to be accepted. Guess she's not talkin' about the ginkos though. Laura Garrett from Audobirdie Society talks about golden eagles in Eaton Canyon and somehow thinks they're gonna live in Colorado Boulevard trees. She says Pasadena's violating a tree These folks are nuts. Marge Rulenback says the ginko trees are good and she lives in the Playhouse. Steve Mullheim says plant Old Town trees. Rhonda Bennett says let South Lake plant five trees. Bill Urban from West Pasadena says they like the moratorium. Joe Fineblatt says for the past ten years we learned a lot. Let's plan again and shade's more important than anything else. Ms. Kurasaki says she lives by the Playhouse and likes ginko trees and says exempt Playhouse from the moratorium. Kathy Mahoney is confused 'cause she thought the deadline to plant trees had gone by. Non Fam says plant the Playhouse trees even tho he don't live there and Asian dude likes ginkos. Alex Wong says Pasadena's beautiful and says the Council should be realistic and plant the ginko trees and not take a year to make a decision. Mark Nay says plant the trees. Armina Durachy says screw Vroman's and everybody else over and keep the urban wasteland and she's on the U-FUCK committee, too. Tom Miller gives it up after Bogaard tells him nobody's cutting down Greet Street trees. Nina Chomsky says pick a different tree. Phoebe Wilson says pick a different tree with bigger canopies. Crystal Balvin rounds out the bitching biddy trinity saying pick another tree. Polly says ginkos are stinko. Wayne Hunt says the design team did a good job after a long rfp process with lots of meetings with Pasadena Beautiful, Pasadena Heritage and everybody else. It's a great plan and followed the council process and even got an award for the plan. Stick with the plan and act in good faith. Ann Shide biddies it up to the podium and whines to stop the plantings too. She says what's the ruch, but hey didn't it all take twenty years? Scott Wilson tree planting landscape architect says Alice Frost would be disappointed Pasadena's planting palm trees. Alice Frost? Geez dude! Old white folks hate ginkos and palms. Mayor cuts the old dude off. Robert Ward says save the trees on Green Street and won't talk about what he doesn't understand.
Tyler opposes the tree planting and tries to argue a new task force would pick a different tree. He's trying to say more trees will get cut down if they plant these trees. Really, that's kinda what he said! Holden calls it in from Chicago and says elevate the plan so the Playhouse is successful but they shouldn't plant the trees 'cause the plan's gotta grow. But Old Town and South Lake should get their trees and some places in the Playhouse area shouldn't get stopped, too. Madison says it's perverse not to plant trees because we care about trees. He's going with Gordo on this one and so's McAustin and Robinson. Haderlein says get rid of the moratorium completely because other places are getting punished for no reason. Holden says he wants to plant some trees in the Playhouse and plant in Old Town and South Lake. Tough when Airheaderlein is the one who makes sense, huh? Regulations not allowing trees to get planted are stoooopid with a lot of ooooos. That's what comes of listening to bitching biddies. They vote for it and Bogaard goes for the motion so the bitching biddies go down in flames and Old Town, South Lake and Playhouse District get their trees.
RESIDENTIAL IMPACT FEE CHANGES: They're gonna use more of my money to prettify Nina Chomsky's backyard and to add more of Robinson Park to spend money on. I love spending money that's gonna be used for stuff that's not gonna help any people who really need help.
COUNCIL PALS GET APPOINTED, QUIT MOVE, AROUND: One guy quits the Pasadena Center Board after too much art crazyness.
GET OUT YER FOIL HATS THE CELL TOWER CRAZIES ARE BACK FOR THE WIRELESS ORDINANCE: Wackos are out in force again telling them to do what they want before the Xeron's rays penetrate their brains and make them zombies. Oh, not quite that, but it's close. Beck says the map is confusing and misleading so they have changed some stuff about it. Sounds like the city's stuck on this one 'cause the state and feds took the AT&T money years ago and bent over for them so we all get no say in any of this. They wanna make sure the cell towers and cable boxes aren't too close to houses or screw up neighborhoods. Can you spell A-L-T-R-I-O? man some people got way pissed at them. I got the service then Charter bought it and I was screwed twice over. They're gonna get rid of a map that said where the towers can go and everybody's happy with that, I guess. Public commenters are pretty much ok except one person whose house is next to the city yards and doesn't want them put there. Asian lady talks about graffiti. Nina Chomsky and others
HANDBILL PROHIBITION: Wacko Nancy Nelson's getting annoying and wants to save our civil rights even if I have to let somebody toss crap I don't want on my lawn. David Furtig says he wants to them to save trees by avoiding getting sued about this ordinance. Guy looks like he could be Jerry Garcia's lawyer. Marvin Schecter says don't do it. Lawyer Bonnerise says it's legal but the council holds off. All they are doing is sayin' I can put up a sign that tells people not to dump that crap on my driveway. What's the problem with that? Madison wants it put over.
WATER CONSERVATION: They're raising my rates so I can pay for all the workers at PWP and try to tell me it's 'cause I need to save water.
PROP 1a - 1f: Council supports these, so I think I'm votin' no. It's gonna cost me money. Marvin Schecter says AARP supports these propositions, too. I'm still thinking no, except maybe for the lottery one.
POST FIGHT WRAP-UP: man this one was long. They got back where they started on the trees and did the wireless thing. That took 75% of the meeting. The rest of the time they were basically either spending a lot of money or raising my taxes somehow.
I'm done.
D.
Monday, April 27, 2009
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Hi Dormitas.
I would like to ask, again, that you delete this old post that is still up here:
http://underpasadena.blogspot.com/2008/08/weekly-pasadena-news-reports-virginia.html
here is an excerpt, by Aaron Proctor, former contributor:
"I think she's just hot for me and doesn't know how to express her affection. Hell, if she wants to lick my dick and let me do her in the ass, I'm good," Proctor said."
thanks,
Virginia
I object to Virgina Hoge's graphic sexual language in this political blog. It diverts from the many serious issues facing our city.
Pick a screen name sheesh.
By all means, allow Virginia to not only edit/censor the comments on her "progressive" blog, but the comments on ALL blogs. She apparently believes that only she can determine what is free speech?
I wonder if she will delete the prior "attacks" she launched against the Pasadena Political Underbelly?
Suggested viewing for Virginia; Dirty Pictures, a 2000 movie covering the Mapplethorpe exhibit in Ohio.....
Nobody looks at old posts. Now it is a new post where everyone will see it. Seems like contradiction. Like saying, "I don't want anyone to see this foul post, but here, have a good look."
Is anonymous Aaron Proctor?
I think anyone who disagrees with Virginia Hoge is considered Aaron Proctor, at least by her!
Ms. Hoge -
How about you post just one of the comments on your blog and then maybe start to earn some credibility as an actual blog-type. Your sensorship is disgraceful and you have some nerve posting anything on anyone else's blog - especially preaching fairness - when you completely disregard all comments left on your blog.
Isn't there a saying about casting the first stone - govern yourself accordingly Ms. Hoge.
And as a mother - I find you to be a hypocrite, don’t try playing that card here.
Annie
In all fairness where have you been Annie? Love her or hate her Hoge has been posting comments on her blogs.
Excluding whatever fights she has with PUSD foes she mainly reacts to attacks against her.
Actually Virginia posts her thoughts on her blogs - then follows up on the comments section - and when she realizes that no one is bothering to read or comment she goes back to blasting Rene Amy, Aaron Proctor, Centinel, and this blog.
Anytime you disagree with her she thinks that you are Proctor posting under another name.
On one hand highly entertaining - on the other hand - highly pathetic.
Hoge post comments under her blog, but often does not post other comments she receives. If she doesn't like them, or feels they might undermine her agenda, then she simply does not post them.
Her's is not a blog, it is an internet rant page.
"Her's is not a blog, it is an internet rant page"
Well duh.
But I have seen her have dialogues with disagreeing parties. And yes she is highly selective about what posts get through.
But all blogs are selective to a certain extent I have even seen the administration of the beloved underbelly delete comments as is his right.
"But I have seen her have dialogues with disagreeing parties."
Really? on her blog? I guess I must have missed it.
I haven't observed any "dialogue" on her blog, usually just her posting comments on her own "article".
As you indicate, most blogs will edit comments that they view as profane, or non-relevant to the discussion at hand....Hoge just edits anything that she doesn't like - which, it appears, is code for anything that doesn't follow her "logic".
And I thought she was the only one who is "bat-sheet" crazy ....
"...Really? on her blog? I guess I must have missed it...."
She has had spirited discourse with angel, bec zajac, and gilman to name a few.
They are hard to find because mostly she talks to herself. But they are there if you care to look. Why you would want to mystifies me though.
I have had a few discussions with Virginia on her blog. We deeply disagree regarding PUSD. I attended PUSD in the late '60's and early '70's and had the best memories of going to school there and got a good education.
I had one child that I put into PUSD then pulled out by the time 5th grade came. My other child went straight to private school.
Having been born and raised here in Dena I feel that I have a few insights - some of which I tried to share with her. We do agree on a few points - however a few more we don't.
I tried to point out to her a few times that her obsession with Proctor and other area blogs only draws more attention to them. Proctor has left the building. He is gone. His blog in Philly is down - time to move on. Possibly he has a great job - a good woman - his parents are in better health and life is good. At least I hope that for him.
PUSD is a bad school district - that doesn't make the kids or parents bad - but it's the God's honest truth - so when you get to a point where you can't have an honest and open dialogue with someone pointing out the obvious .... then you go elsewhere because I learned a long time ago that it's like arguing with a drunk ... you're more of a fool to try and continue to make a point with someone who doesn't have the capacity to understand.
For me I really stopped reading her blog when I posted and she said that it went into her "junk" mail and I wasn't a supporter of PUSD because I made the point that a large percentage of the kids who graduate from PUSD lack basic english/math skills and spend the first few years at PCC taking remedial classes.
She stated I wasn't a supporter of PUSD. I pointed out to her that I was a PTA President - parent volunteer and had tried to send my children to the schools in my area - but she then claimed that I was posting under someone else's name and that was pretty much it.
Bat Shit Crazy doesn't even begin to describe the behavior. I was trying to follow the Pasadena Star News Topix on PHS trying to have racially segregated assemblies and then she started to post and I was like "Oh hell..."
So - that pretty much sums it up. However I am sure that "inch high private eye" will try and figure out why Foothill Cities blog is down again and where AP is now...
God help us if she gets started on the trees....
"........He is gone. His blog in Philly is down - time to move on. Possibly he has a great job........."
More likely he was shown the door at the video hut after another screaming meltdown.
"God help us if she gets started on the trees...."
HILARIOUS!!
Angel Bec comments pretty well mirror the experience I had over on Hoge's website?...."Bat Shit Crazy", pretty well says it all.
In defense of AP - I don't even think he is 30 yet. Imagine those of us who are in their 40's looking back at our 20's.
We didn't have the net, cell phones, myspace, blogs, twitter, all that stuff. In other words we could make huge mistakes, make asses out of ourselves and in the process find ourselves in private - as opposed to having the whole world see.
I think AP is a smart guy - he's just still in the process of growing up - and maybe he should do that offline.
Gilman - I read your thread over on VH's blog. I see she put you in "time out"
yeah - bat shit crazy pretty much sums it up.
".......I think AP is a smart guy - he's just still in the process of growing up - and maybe he should do that offline...."
Lord knows I did stupid things in my teens and twenties. Youthful lack of judgment is no excuse for his type of race baiting. He ran around yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. I hope he gets his life together also, but I won't white wash his bigotry.
BTW his ethnic/racial background doesn't buy him a pass.
Angel Bec,
I am aware that he is multiracial. I guess I looked at his blog as entertainment taken with a grain of salt. He had the happy knack of pissing off just about everyone - hence his exit from Pasadena.
Hopefully a lesson well learned. And I do agree with you - I find it as offensive when a person of color utters a racial slur as when a white person says the same thing.
Ignorance is ignorance. Unfortunately it comes in all colors.
I heard recently that Aaron Proctor was seen at the Lamplighter Coffee shop in Van Nuys having breakfast with Ron Jeremy, probably discussing a script that AP was trying to sell. Who would ever think of it, Aaron Proctor and Ron Jeremy collaborating on a project.
having fun here??
No, Dormitas, editing the post is not good enough,
I ask that you take it down. If you so, I will delete it also from my blog.
As to the "boyz" here (including my dear friend Gilman who is one of my retinue of personal trolls),
"I think AP is a smart guy"
Nuff said!!
make that "if you do so"
to Anonymous:
"Nobody looks at old posts"
I had a Troll on another site provide a link to it.
to: also anonymous
"But I have seen her have dialogues with disagreeing parties."
Check out me and Gilman's exchange
(which only ended when he took to to another site)
and there are plenty of others.
And I post most comments all the time now, have for awhile, don't know why they have slowed down, I guess when they have received an answer they don't like.
to Angel Bec:
"yeah - bat shit crazy pretty much sums it up."
I published one of your comments on Christmas day.
to Angel Bec:
"I was trying to follow the Pasadena Star News Topix on PHS trying to have racially segregated assemblies and then she started to post and I was like "Oh hell..."
Caught you! having fun over at Topix are you?
where they call PUSD students "Vermin" and "Dirtbags" fit only to work at McDonalds.
yeah, that's your crowd alright.
Too bad I showed up to rain on your parade.
to Annie: (get your gun?)
"sensorship"
??
to Anonymous:
"I think anyone who disagrees with Virginia Hoge is considered Aaron Proctor, at least by her!"
Not true.
Its just when I disagree with someone, its often something no one wants to hear, and sounds 10 times worse.
Do you want to have discussions? or do you want your opinions confirmed??
sorry, you talk with me, and I am going to give you my opinion, but I do welcome yours.
Can we "agree to disagree"?
or do I always have to get stones thrown at me for doing so?
Wow spectacular. No comment, just amazing to watch.
Let me type very slowly Virginia so you get it... If you followed the TOPIX blog I never left a remark due to the fact that the whole quality of the conversation was beneath me and seeing that you were getting read like a book I decided to not join the mob crown mentality. I had already stated my opinion about you was stating it again would be pointless.
I ALWAYS post under ANGEL BEC because I don't feel the need to have to post anonymously. I say what I say and if you agree with it fine - if not fine too. I'm not a coward.
If your brain was any larger than your over inflated ego and your over inflated sense of self you would see that people have opinions and are entitled to them and in the real world of blogging (of course you wouldn't get that because of the fact that your blog is useless because you respond to each of your OWN posts) adult dialouge is allowed. ITS CALLED A CONVERSATION. Once someone disagrees with you you call them a troll or Aaron Proctor in disguise or you call them a racist. I stand by my statement that you are bat shit crazy. Thanks for posting here to prove that. My 3rd grader has more sense than you do.
Now - do what you do best ... cut, paste and put this in your blog and try and blow it up to something that it is not ... and blast Foothill City Blogs/Aaron Proctor/Todd Ruiz/Centinel/Frazgo, etc... because you don't have much else to write about do you? And let's face it you THRIVE on it....it gets you up and it gets you going.
Oh wait - you jump in on occassion over at The Sierra Madre Tattler - but you live in Pasadena.
You are the worst kind of racist - a white woman with money who thinks she is a liberal because she can afford to send her kids to private school - but she keeps it "real" by sending her kids to a public school. "Oh look at me - O am down with the cause"
I am a minority and so are my kids. Don't even try and act like you know what that is about. You are a fake.
AMAZINGLY ENOUGH you actually had the balls to admit that you are a PUSD consultant over the TOPIX blog. Wow - the truth comes out. You are actually more F'd up than PUSD is.
By the way - reports were released today that 1 out of 3 students at Muir drops out. Got that Virginia ... 1 OUT OF 3. Now do your marvelous PR spin on that. Earn your paycheck.
I don't know if you watch Celebrity Apprentice but Joan Rivers summed it up best when she was describing Annie the poker player.
"YOUR EGO IS SO FAR ABOVE YOU ... YOU ARE A POKER PLAYER"
You Virginia are a race baitng wanna be liberal who is BAT SHIT CRAZY............... and enough bloggers and posters will attest to that.
Your an embarrasement - your pathetic blog and posts are a testmanent to that.
GO FIND A 3RD GRADER TO PLAY KICKBALL WITH.
Be careful you are about to be accused of being an undercover agent of Reny Amy or the Proc, or the right wing Pasadena blogosphere conspiracy. Like a scientologist when questioned, even politely, she goes into attack mode, making any effort at dialogue pointless.
Ginny is mad ...
First of all - thank you.
Secondl of all - The post over at TOPIX was calling PUSD kids "Vermin" I didn't leave any comments because the conversations were completely out of control and it was so far off from what the original poster was trying to make a comment on that it got very ugly.
Add "BSC" to the mix and her rhetoric and it just went south. Therefore to be accused of leaving a message on that thread was completely unwarranted and unnecessary.
However it goes to show that PUSD will hire anyone - and doesn't do psych. evaluations.
and YOU are proving, "Angel" Bec,
that you don't think Aaron Proctor's slur of me,
is pornographic.
blind!!
more, you are proving,
that you will tolerate anything,
said about someone who supports PUSD
to: ginny is mad said...
"when questioned, even politely, she goes into attack mode, making any effort at dialogue pointless"
hmmmm, I haven't seen too many "ginny is mad" comments over at PNP,
so who is this?
Gilman?
or?
Angel bec
Your are also in league with Eastasia against Oceana.
You must be an agent of Goldstein!!
to Angel Bec:
"I ALWAYS post under ANGEL BEC because I don't feel the need to have to post anonymously"
ummmm, do you have a nick-name?
"...so who is this?...."
Believe it or not I am a fan.
I have no affiliations or alliances.
I enjoy the PPU when I have the time.
enjoy!
enjoy trashing women who protest sexual slurs about themselves being published.
Precious just precious. Out come the knives.
its you who are pulling out the knives
I am not going to engage you on this.
Good luck with your work for the kids.
Ginny is Mad,
I am with you on this one. Let Virginia "win" Let Virginia be the "voice of reason" Let Virginia think that we are all "right wing commie blog extremists who hate PUSD"
It's Virginia's world - we are just in it.
to g.i.m.:
you have engaged me, calling me "crazy" & etc.
so stop trying to back away from that, take responsibility for your comments at least.
but yes, this is enough!! visit me at PNP and lets have a discussion/debate, and not throw mud.
"Let Virginia think that we are all "right wing commie blog extremists who hate PUSD"
what an exaggerated, untrue bunch of crap!!
and what astonishingly thin skin you have, and I'm the one sleezed on by AP.
but enough of this, Angel Bec.
goodbye.
Please show me where I used the term "crazy"?
Ginny I'm Mad,
Has it left yet???
Really quiet here all of a sudden.
".............visit me at PNP and lets have a discussion/debate...."
Wow is she cruising on the PPU to drive traffic to her site? Tacky.
"Wow is she cruising on the PPU to drive traffic to her site? Tacky."
Most definitely NOT!!!
(are you kidding me??)
"Are you kidding me?"
Are you kidding us? Please go away - go far far away to that little space in your mind where you rule and you are right about everything and everyone is wrong who disagree with you.
Must be slow over at your blog....
"....Please show me where I used the term "crazy"?..."
She makes a false accusation and then won't retract it. I never called anyone crazy.
Nice Blog ethics.
Dormitas can you please moderate these comments to avoid the innocent being calumniated. My feelings are very hurt.
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